vic-k wrote:[i][color=#0000BF]I do take issue with you, and vehemently so!devinganger wrote:But right now, NiaD feels (to this outsider) too much like a club with outsiders not welcome.
a)I'm not aware of anyone coming aboard Scriv, or seeking to join in Niad, being treated as an outsider.
b) since when, or why, do *you* feel like an outsider?
I knew I should have taken more time in writing that.
The Scrivener forums are very welcoming -- there's a reason I keep coming back.
I have seen nothing in NiaD that would give the perception that anyone there is actively trying to ward off newcomers.
My issues are more internal to me -- I mentioned in a previous reply that my background of collaboration in writing comes from a technical career. Often on my project teams, I am the one tasked with going over everyone's contributions to ensure uniformity of voice and continuity -- in part because I have the focus and attention to detail to do it well and a strong dislike of disunity.
At one point when I was working as a freelancer in the RPG gaming industry, I was introduced to the concept of "Hurtful Wrong Fun" -- which goes beyond "you all are doing something I don't find fun" straight to "and you're hurting me because your type of fun is wrong."
People who express Hurtful Wrong Fun are usually self-centered jerks. I have spent a good portion of my life conditioning myself away from my kneejerk tendencies to be a self-centered jerk. To me, the current setup of NiaD is too far into my discomfort zone for it to be worth me spending the energy to fight my tendencies -- what y'all find a fun feature, I find a bug. But NiaD *isn't for me* so my opinion really doesn't matter. If I were to attempt to participate, I would be the guy bringing Hurtful Wrong Fun to the party and NOBODY likes that guy. That's why I feel like an outsider for NiaD in particular (and occasionally in some of irreverent, illogical, zany badinage y'all tend to drag every long-running thread down into) and my solution is to withdraw and shut up.
But that's a reflection on how *I* am, not an indictment of NiaD or the forums or how anyone else is. Part of wisdom is knowing how you're broken and how far you can adapt, when to try, and when to sit back and let other people do their thing.